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Radziwill: It was a very simple
wedding, you know?
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It wasn't --
it wasn't fancy at all.
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It's like buckets of roses
on the table
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With some votive candles.
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Rather:
John f. Kennedy jr. Confirmed
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That he indeed married
carolyn bessette
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Over the weekend.
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The couple managed to outfox and
evade the entire tabloid press.
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Like, he was pretty much
the most famous guy
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In the world.
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As a couple,
they were sought after.
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They got married
on a tiny island.
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There was not
a single photographer,
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Except for the wedding
photographer, there.
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The wedding was kept
a secret from the public
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And indeed from many of their
family members, as well.
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Radziwill: Just wanted
to keep it a little private
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For a little bit longer --
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Just a little bit.
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That's the church.
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Look there.
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There's pig shit
and horse manure everywhere.
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She came from fashion,
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And he was passionate
about magazines.
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It's funny 'cause his sister
got them a t-shirt
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For their wedding,
and it said --
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It was so cute --
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"politics plus fashion
equals passion."
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And that's what they were.
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South: I think physically,
they complemented each other.
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She made john more attractive,
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And john made her
more attractive,
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And given how attractive
they both were to begin with,
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That's a tall order.
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Ginsberg: She's beautiful.
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She's charming,
incredibly loving.
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You'd look at her
and you'd say, "yeah,
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Who wouldn't want to marry
carolyn bessette?"
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Radziwill: Carolyn
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Was definitely not
a "yes" person to john.
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She did not want john
to be used in this, like,
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Dog-and-pony-show way.
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She made him feel
he could be his own person.
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He didn't have to follow
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What people expected of him.
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Carolyn's mother
really loved john,
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But when she made a toast,
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I'll never forget the end of it.
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She said, "I hope my daughter
has the strength for this."
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Everyone just sort of stopped
for a moment.
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I think even carolyn,
in her way,
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Underestimated the impact
of marrying john
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And marrying into the family.
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But her mom understood it
in a way that all of us
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Would then come
to understand it later.
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I don't even think that
the pictures circulating around
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Really do her justice.
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She had a presence.
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They were matched
'cause he was super charming,
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Really funny.
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[ indistinct conversations ]
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Well, everybody was interested
in john's relationship
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With anybody he might be dating.
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Back then it was
sarah jessica parker
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And then daryl hannah,
of course,
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So that was a big deal,
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And then carolyn bessette.
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But you really,
over the course of his time,
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Didn't see him with a lot
of different young women.
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So, with carolyn,
everybody was really interested
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Because it just seemed
like it was going somewhere.
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Radziwill:
Carolyn never met jackie,
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But they shared an irreverent
sense of humor about things.
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Jackie was kind of not naughty,
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But, like,
she loved to gossip a little.
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She wasn't, like,
super serious all the time.
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There was a really, like,
fun side,
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And I know that also because
she would write anthony letters,
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And they would always be
so charming and funny
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And, "oh, did you hear this
and that?"
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And, in that way, I think
carolyn was very similar.
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She would love to get down
and go through magazines
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And talk about that person
or that person.
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She could read a room
like nobody I've ever met,
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And jackie had that quality,
too, having had to do that.
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I'm sure
they would have gotten along.
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And she wasn't an actress.
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It's a big family,
and like all big families,
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There's a lot of politics
and quirks
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That you just have to learn --
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Maybe john's family
more than other families.
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There was a higher expectation,
and she didn't play the game.
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She didn't, like, suck up
to anyone --
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No one in his family.
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She was just like, "hi."
[ laughs ] you know?
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Carolyn and I came from
a very similar background.
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I grew up
very humble beginnings,
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Like, working-class
upstate new york.
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Her mom was a single mom
raising three daughters
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In a very working-class
neighborhood.
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I think we felt like
a real sisterhood because of it.
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We were like
the ultimate outsiders.
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South: It's funny.
So many people
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Felt like they got to know them
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Through black tie
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Or going into
kind of fancy things
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Where there were photographers,
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But their life
really was not fancy.
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Where they lived
was definitely not fancy.
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The more basic things could be,
the better.
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[ dog pants, barks ]
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They were not
a particularly domestic couple.
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They had this guy named efi
who worked for them,
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And sometimes efi would cook,
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But if he didn't and
carolyn was making a big effort,
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She would make her chicken.
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Their going out was always
from point "a" to point "b."
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There wasn't a lot
of wandering around
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Because it could turn into
such a mess quickly.
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Photographer: John,
can we get a picture of you
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Real quick before you leave?
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Oprah: Do you think that
you have that -- that right?
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Kennedy: A right to privacy?
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Mm-hmm.
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I understand that
there's interest,
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And, certainly,
that interest has --
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It's not interest.
It's obsession, john.
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Well, is that what it is?
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Yeah.
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Anthony: I would say that
john kennedy jr. Was at the top,
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Especially here
in new york city.
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He was john kennedy jr.
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Who wouldn't be interested
in him?
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Man: How you doing, john?
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Kennedy: Good. How are you?
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Pretty good.
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Ginsberg: And john would give
them little bits of it.
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We always knew
the paparazzi were hanging out
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Wherever we were,
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But he wouldn't,
you know, hide himself.
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Anthony: But carolyn bessette
became a target.
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Please don't get
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Radziwill: You know,
they also lived in an apartment
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With no doorman, no security.
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Like, I think celebrities now --
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They travel
with a lot of security.
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They didn't ever have security.
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There was no one.
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The way john grew up,
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He wanted to be
as normal as possible.
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Glass:
The last thing you want to do
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Is have a blowout
with your girlfriend in public,
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But that is
exactly what happened
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Between john and his girlfriend,
carolyn bessette.
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I remember when carolyn bessette
and kennedy
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Had a fight outside my dorm.
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Anthony: It was on the cover
of every newspaper
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And on every tabloid
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Because there's always
somebody photographing them.
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It started out verbally,
but it got physical.
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You know, whatever he said
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And there was no holding back.
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She didn't care that she was
in the middle of a park.
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This is obviously a lady
who just doesn't take anything
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That the prince of camelot
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Radziwill:
She also was very confident
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And very strong-willed,
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And I think when carolyn
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It ruffled some feathers.
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Like any fiancée, then wife,
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You come
with a different perspective,
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And I think she weeded
his social garden a little bit.
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She was
very fiercely protective.
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She knew immediately
if somebody was bad news.
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He didn't want to see that.
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He wanted to see the good
in people.
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Carolyn had all the guile
that he lacked --
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Guile in a good way.
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Many titles have been bestowed
on john f. Kennedy jr. --
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Sexiest man alive,
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Most eligible bachelor.
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Radziwill: The times
when I did go out with john
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In more public events,
we were mobbed.
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It was a circus.
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[ paparazzi clamoring ]
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He was like the number-one
pinup of the world,
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And I guess
only princess diana comes close
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In terms of the star power
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Princess diana: I seem to be
on the front of a newspaper
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Every single day,
which is isolating experience,
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And the higher
the media place you
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Is the bigger the drop.
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Brown: I remember when I had
lunch with princess diana,
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She said,
"I'm hoping that william
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Can turn out to be
as smart about the press
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As john kennedy jr."
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Diana understood
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That there was no shucking off
of this celebrity.
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They were the
most famous people in the world,
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So they were very much parallel.
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He was a nepo baby
before there was such a thing.
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[ cheers and applause ]
thank you. Thank you.
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He had to do something
substantive
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That people could point to
and say, "yeah,
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That guy deserves it."
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Soren: The handful of times
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That I was in a social situation
with john f. Kennedy jr.,
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When he walked in,
the room went to a hush.
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He could sense
that they were uncomfortable
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Because he was such
a famous person,
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But it was also a little awkward
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Because until george magazine,
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He wasn't famous for
actually having done anything.
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Ladies and gentlemen,
meet george.
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Ginsberg: So, federal hall
is where george washington
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Was first inaugurated.
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It was the perfect place
to launch
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George magazine.
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Ladies and gentlemen,
john kennedy.
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[ applause ]
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Kennedy: I don't think that I've
seen as many of you in one place
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Since they announced the results
of my first bar exam,
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So it's nice to see you all
again.
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This was before the era
of social media.
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You know,
magazines drove culture.
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We want our readers
to be on a first-name basis
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With the people and the powers
that drive american politics.
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Ginsberg: Who's gonna be on
the cover of vogue, vanity fair?
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Who was on the cover,
what was inside
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Was something
that people talked about.
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Magazines were what
social media is today.
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Ladies and gentlemen,
meet george.
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[ applause ]
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Me as george washington
on the cover --
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I think that was
really refreshing.
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It was such a new idea.
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But seeing john kennedy jr.
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Turn that cover around
like that, I think,
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Is the thing that sticks
in people's mind
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More than just the cover.
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We'll talk about fashion,
television, and art
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All as they relate
to the political process.
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Kennedy
was harnessing his celebrity
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Into something meaningful,
259
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And most people don't bother
to do that.
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Politics is much too important
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To be left
only to the politicians.
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Thank you.
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[ applause ]
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De niro: He was a young,
good-looking kid,
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And, being from that world,
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Obviously, he had
some thoughts about it.
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It would seem logical
that he would want to do
268
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Something like that
with the magazine.
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♪
270
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But it is also an understanding
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That his popularity
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And his celebrity
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Is incredibly important
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To his success.
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He needs that.
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Oh, hi. I'm murphy brown.
You must be my new secretary.
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Oh, murphy, hi!
[ audience cheers wildly ]
278
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It was one of those moments,
I say,
279
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Like, when 1 plus 1 plus 1
equals 1,000.
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Everything amplified each other.
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[ kennedy chuckles ]
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"murphy": What
the hell is this?
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Kennedy: It's a
copy of george.
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It's the new political
magazine I'm editing.
285
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I had the, uh, guys
in the art department
286
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Mock up a cover
with you on it.
287
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It's pretty great, huh?
288
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Brown: There was a kind of gusto
to it that I liked.
289
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I mean, he went full on to try
to do this vision that he had,
290
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And I think where he was clever
291
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Was he did understand
the melding that had begun
292
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Between politics
and entertainment.
293
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Walters: Half a million copies
of this hip political magazine
294
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Flew off newsstands
nationwide in just four days,
295
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Making it the most successful
debut in magazine history.
296
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Kennedy: You have to catch
people's attention,
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And what we wanted to do
is george washington is an icon
298
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And he's an american icon,
299
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And we wanted to use
other american icons
300
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To kind of play
with that iconography.
301
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The first cover was very iconic
302
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In that it was
a very clever idea,
303
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And it sort of said in one image
304
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It was not to be
the new republic or the nation.
305
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He wanted to popularize
political discourse,
306
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And I thought that one cover
went a long ways towards that.
307
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Radziwill: Make it entertaining.
Make it pop culture.
308
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That was unheard of
in politics in the '90s.
309
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Like, cindy crawford
310
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Dressed up as george washington
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On the cover
of a glossy magazine --
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That was, like, scandalous.
313
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Woman: Do you remember
that it was carolyn's idea?
314
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Radziwill: It was
her idea to do cindy.
315
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I will say that I think a lot of
the covers were carolyn's ideas.
316
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South: She was friends with
herb ritts, the photographer.
317
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She had worked around herb
quite a bit because of calvin.
318
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In order for a startup magazine
to get somebody like herb ritts,
319
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There would had to have been
the relationship,
320
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And the relationship was
very much carolyn, for sure.
321
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He photographs women
the way they want to look.
322
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It may be one
of the most iconic images of me
323
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Because it wasn't just, like,
324
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A beautiful picture of me
in a swimsuit.
325
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I've never done a shoot
like that before,
326
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And I have never done
a shoot like that afterwards.
327
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I believe my midriff's showing.
328
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There was a lot of discussion
329
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About
"should we stuff the pants?"
330
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At one point,
I had a sock in my pants.
331
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It's funny --
like, a "supermodel"
332
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As a sexy george washington.
333
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Carter: Arie kopelman,
who was head of chanel --
334
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He thought john was gonna eat
our lunch at vanity fair,
335
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And I thought, "well, okay.
We'll see how that goes."
336
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♪
337
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I mean, that's what
we really aspired to be,
338
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Was the vanity fair of politics.
339
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Some pundits once said my
grandfather was a great ad man.
340
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They said that he sold my father
like a box of soap flakes.
341
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[ laughter ]
342
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My grandfather
took great offense,
343
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Claimed it wasn't true.
344
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He said, "no!
I sold jack like a cadillac.
345
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Nixon was the box
of soap flakes."
346
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[ laughter ]
347
00:15:15,607 --> 00:15:17,941
John's grandfather
joseph p. Kennedy
348
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Was determined
to have one of his children
349
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Become president
of the united states.
350
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It was originally joe jr.,
351
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Who was killed in a tragic
mission during world war ii,
352
00:15:26,352 --> 00:15:28,752
And then once joe was gone,
he transferred all that
353
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To john's dad.
354
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He runs for president in 1960,
355
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And television is born
on the first debate
356
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Between kennedy and nixon.
357
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Kennedy, in that first debate,
358
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Held his own with nixon,
359
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And kennedy came across
as dynamic
360
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And energetic and charismatic,
361
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And, you know,
the public loved him.
362
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Only you can decide
what you want,
363
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What you want this country
to be.
364
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Ginsberg: He was fascinated
by that debate,
365
00:15:56,281 --> 00:15:58,514
And it was this moment in time
366
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That ultimately is
what george aspired to create,
367
00:16:01,586 --> 00:16:05,055
Which is that convergence
of politics and popular culture.
368
00:16:05,190 --> 00:16:06,923
We strive to produce a magazine
369
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Uncolored by a single partisan
perspective, even mine.
370
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Please welcome john kennedy!
371
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Andersen:
So it was mythically perfect
372
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That junior
would begin a magazine
373
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About fun celebrities
374
00:16:21,306 --> 00:16:23,273
Who were interested in politics!
375
00:16:23,275 --> 00:16:25,075
Do you think that you
being who you are
376
00:16:25,176 --> 00:16:27,611
Is the reason why george
is now so successful?
377
00:16:27,746 --> 00:16:30,080
Readers might have
bought the first one
378
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And maybe even
the second one.
379
00:16:32,083 --> 00:16:34,750
But, you know, we're now
doing our seventh issue.
380
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And I don't think people
would stick with us
381
00:16:36,688 --> 00:16:38,422
If we weren't somehow
delivering what --
382
00:16:38,557 --> 00:16:39,623
What do you keep looking at?
383
00:16:39,758 --> 00:16:41,157
I'm looking at the...
384
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If you look at who is reading
political magazines,
385
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It was 98% white males.
386
00:16:46,832 --> 00:16:48,231
So he said,
"I'm gonna just break it up.
387
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I'm gonna be a disrupter.
388
00:16:49,634 --> 00:16:52,235
I want this readership
to be half women.
389
00:16:52,370 --> 00:16:55,305
I want people not just on the
coasts to read this magazine.
390
00:16:55,307 --> 00:16:57,573
I want people in the middle
of the country to read it."
391
00:16:57,709 --> 00:17:01,110
And so that was the magazine
that he envisioned.
392
00:17:01,112 --> 00:17:04,848
He needs a broad base of women
393
00:17:04,950 --> 00:17:08,251
To be invested in his love life.
394
00:17:08,353 --> 00:17:10,854
He needs a broad swath
of men saying,
395
00:17:10,989 --> 00:17:13,323
"how do I become cool
like this guy?"
396
00:17:13,325 --> 00:17:15,992
King: John f. Kennedy jr. --
He is the mastermind
397
00:17:16,094 --> 00:17:19,329
Of this extraordinary magazine,
george, which is a hoot.
398
00:17:19,331 --> 00:17:20,997
How's it selling?
399
00:17:21,099 --> 00:17:21,665
It's selling very well.
400
00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:22,265
Yeah?
401
00:17:22,267 --> 00:17:23,733
Yeah.
402
00:17:23,868 --> 00:17:26,402
There are so many people
who wanted john to fail.
403
00:17:26,538 --> 00:17:29,272
You know, george --
it's an entertainment magazine.
404
00:17:29,407 --> 00:17:32,808
I mean, it's not highbrow --
highbrow journalism.
405
00:17:32,810 --> 00:17:36,012
Who are these guardians
of political purity
406
00:17:36,014 --> 00:17:38,014
And what political journalism
should be?
407
00:17:38,016 --> 00:17:39,815
And we were a real threat
to that.
408
00:17:39,817 --> 00:17:41,617
It's a magazine
that started with a theory
409
00:17:41,753 --> 00:17:43,619
That there was a way
of covering politics
410
00:17:43,755 --> 00:17:46,356
Largely as women's magazines
cover the world of fashion.
411
00:17:46,358 --> 00:17:48,024
It indulges in gossip.
412
00:17:48,026 --> 00:17:51,227
I don't think it has
a great deal of depth right now.
413
00:17:51,229 --> 00:17:53,429
I think the media never
really took george seriously,
414
00:17:53,565 --> 00:17:56,900
But I think it had a kind
of gaiety to it in the old sense
415
00:17:57,035 --> 00:17:59,102
That I find rather appealing.
416
00:17:59,104 --> 00:18:01,504
You know, people were,
"ugh. John kennedy's magazine."
417
00:18:01,507 --> 00:18:05,175
I think there was a lot
of jealousy in the business,
418
00:18:05,276 --> 00:18:08,712
And there was a lot of
"who does he think he is?"
419
00:18:08,847 --> 00:18:12,582
♪
420
00:18:14,386 --> 00:18:16,586
♪
421
00:18:16,721 --> 00:18:19,321
Mr. President, marilyn monroe!
422
00:18:19,323 --> 00:18:20,624
[ applause ]
423
00:18:20,759 --> 00:18:23,026
♪ happy birthday ♪
424
00:18:23,028 --> 00:18:26,796
♪ mr. President ♪
425
00:18:26,931 --> 00:18:29,866
Ginsberg: I think biz mitchell,
an editor at the time,
426
00:18:29,868 --> 00:18:31,734
Went to john and said,
427
00:18:31,870 --> 00:18:33,603
"it's bill clinton's
50th birthday."
428
00:18:33,738 --> 00:18:37,607
And I think that gave
john the idea
429
00:18:37,609 --> 00:18:41,010
Of having somebody dress up
like marilyn monroe.
430
00:18:41,013 --> 00:18:43,279
That was just john's
mischievousness,
431
00:18:43,381 --> 00:18:44,814
For good or for bad.
432
00:18:44,983 --> 00:18:48,618
♪
433
00:18:48,620 --> 00:18:50,220
Brown: When he did
the marilyn monroe cover
434
00:18:50,222 --> 00:18:52,488
With drew barrymore,
that was an intake of breath
435
00:18:52,623 --> 00:18:54,691
Where you thought,
"wait a minute," you know?
436
00:18:54,826 --> 00:18:57,026
"she was having an affair
with your father.
437
00:18:57,128 --> 00:19:00,763
Are we now going there?
Is this is what we're gonna do?"
438
00:19:00,765 --> 00:19:04,100
Carmody: David pecker, being
the dealmaker that he is --
439
00:19:04,102 --> 00:19:05,501
One thing he agreed to,
440
00:19:05,636 --> 00:19:08,971
Which I think he
maybe later came to regret,
441
00:19:08,973 --> 00:19:12,775
Is that he gave john
complete editorial control.
442
00:19:12,777 --> 00:19:15,912
We're already seeing
an immediate return.
443
00:19:16,047 --> 00:19:19,782
George has captured
the imaginations of advertisers
444
00:19:19,918 --> 00:19:24,320
Like no other magazine launch
in the history of publishing.
445
00:19:24,322 --> 00:19:26,789
No one editor has
complete editorial control --
446
00:19:26,925 --> 00:19:28,390
Even anna wintour.
447
00:19:28,392 --> 00:19:30,392
Winfrey: Can we talk about
that current cover
448
00:19:30,394 --> 00:19:31,527
With drew barrymore?
449
00:19:31,662 --> 00:19:35,064
I'm wondering how the rest
of the family reacted to that.
450
00:19:35,067 --> 00:19:36,599
I think in the grand
scheme of things,
451
00:19:36,735 --> 00:19:38,935
It probably didn't register
too high on the --
452
00:19:38,937 --> 00:19:40,202
On the richter scale.
453
00:19:40,305 --> 00:19:41,070
Yeah?
454
00:19:41,073 --> 00:19:42,805
Depaulo: Keep in mind,
455
00:19:42,941 --> 00:19:47,543
He also once wanted to do
a cover of his mother,
456
00:19:47,545 --> 00:19:50,880
And he asked his ex-girlfriend
madonna to do it,
457
00:19:51,015 --> 00:19:52,815
And she said,
458
00:19:52,817 --> 00:19:55,685
"johnny boy,
I'm not gonna play mommy"
459
00:19:55,820 --> 00:19:57,754
Or something like that.
460
00:19:57,889 --> 00:19:59,421
♪
461
00:19:59,423 --> 00:20:00,890
Radziwill: John is always
pushing the boundaries
462
00:20:01,025 --> 00:20:02,959
And he's testing the limits.
463
00:20:03,094 --> 00:20:04,894
It must have been hard
for him to grow up with a father
464
00:20:05,029 --> 00:20:06,829
Who was mythical.
465
00:20:06,831 --> 00:20:08,765
The only things
he remembered from his father
466
00:20:08,900 --> 00:20:10,900
Were the memories
that people told him.
467
00:20:11,035 --> 00:20:13,503
He has none of his own memories.
468
00:20:13,638 --> 00:20:16,439
His dad was a trailblazer --
469
00:20:16,575 --> 00:20:19,442
The first catholic president
of the united states.
470
00:20:19,578 --> 00:20:22,112
He was pushing boundaries
all over the place,
471
00:20:22,247 --> 00:20:25,515
So I think of john
as having a little of that.
472
00:20:25,517 --> 00:20:27,383
[ crowd cheering ]
473
00:20:27,485 --> 00:20:29,319
Ginsberg:
I think part of the desire
474
00:20:29,321 --> 00:20:30,653
To do a political magazine
475
00:20:30,789 --> 00:20:34,123
Was to be able to learn
about his father's presidency
476
00:20:34,225 --> 00:20:35,591
In the first person
477
00:20:35,593 --> 00:20:38,294
And understand it
on his own terms.
478
00:20:38,363 --> 00:20:40,196
♪
479
00:20:40,198 --> 00:20:45,001
His search was "in search
of my father, finding myself,"
480
00:20:45,003 --> 00:20:49,739
And george gave him
the material or the tools
481
00:20:49,741 --> 00:20:53,543
To further engage that search
in a different way.
482
00:20:53,545 --> 00:20:56,012
Ginsberg: So part of that
exploration in our first issue
483
00:20:56,147 --> 00:20:59,015
Was going down to alabama
to meet george wallace,
484
00:20:59,017 --> 00:21:00,950
Who had physically stood
in the doorway
485
00:21:01,085 --> 00:21:02,885
Of the university of alabama
486
00:21:02,887 --> 00:21:06,288
To prevent students
from desegregating.
487
00:21:06,391 --> 00:21:08,558
John's father went
on national tv...
488
00:21:08,660 --> 00:21:11,027
We face, therefore,
a moral crisis
489
00:21:11,029 --> 00:21:12,762
As a country and a people.
490
00:21:12,764 --> 00:21:14,364
Ginsberg:
...And, for the first time,
491
00:21:14,366 --> 00:21:16,166
Committed to passing
a civil rights bill,
492
00:21:16,301 --> 00:21:20,036
Which ultimately became
the civil rights bill of 1964.
493
00:21:20,038 --> 00:21:23,039
So, john wanted to understand
that moment in time,
494
00:21:23,174 --> 00:21:26,308
But a secondary purpose was
that in the late '70s,
495
00:21:26,310 --> 00:21:28,044
George wallace decided
496
00:21:28,046 --> 00:21:30,312
That he was no longer
gonna be a racist,
497
00:21:30,448 --> 00:21:32,582
And he embraced integration.
498
00:21:32,717 --> 00:21:34,316
Man [british accent]: Governor,
may we have a few words
499
00:21:34,318 --> 00:21:34,984
For british
television, sir?
500
00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:36,318
Yes, sir. What you want to ask?
501
00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:37,920
Tell me. You are still
remembered in britain, sir,
502
00:21:38,056 --> 00:21:39,922
As a segregationalist.
Has that all changed?
503
00:21:39,924 --> 00:21:42,258
Oh, that's been 20 years ago.
That's not an issue.
504
00:21:42,260 --> 00:21:43,993
I don't even talk about it.
505
00:21:44,128 --> 00:21:45,661
Ginsberg: There was something
that appealed to john
506
00:21:45,663 --> 00:21:47,797
About people
who were flexible enough
507
00:21:47,932 --> 00:21:50,200
To reconsider hardened views,
508
00:21:50,335 --> 00:21:52,668
And I think he looked
at somebody like george wallace
509
00:21:52,670 --> 00:21:54,604
And saw a lot
of political courage
510
00:21:54,706 --> 00:21:59,409
In being able to see the sins
of his past and repent for it.
511
00:21:59,411 --> 00:22:03,880
John's always having this
ongoing dialogue with his family
512
00:22:04,015 --> 00:22:05,615
And his relationship
with his father,
513
00:22:05,617 --> 00:22:08,551
So he wants to go back
and interview these people
514
00:22:08,687 --> 00:22:10,486
Who had been
his father's adversaries,
515
00:22:10,588 --> 00:22:12,154
So he goes to cuba
516
00:22:12,156 --> 00:22:15,625
To interview fidel castro.
517
00:22:15,727 --> 00:22:19,095
Man: In cuba, 300,000 militiamen
have been mobilized.
518
00:22:19,097 --> 00:22:21,564
The invasion was successful
in its early hours,
519
00:22:21,700 --> 00:22:25,301
With castro, of course,
blaming the u.S.
520
00:22:25,303 --> 00:22:26,569
Gillon:
One of the biggest blunders
521
00:22:26,705 --> 00:22:28,170
Of president kennedy's
administration --
522
00:22:28,172 --> 00:22:30,572
When he launched
the bay of pigs invasion
523
00:22:30,574 --> 00:22:32,775
To try to overthrow castro.
524
00:22:32,911 --> 00:22:35,778
But castro's army
was waiting on the beaches,
525
00:22:35,914 --> 00:22:38,981
Which leads to
the famous cuban missile crisis,
526
00:22:38,983 --> 00:22:42,785
And we're in the verge
of nuclear holocaust.
527
00:22:42,921 --> 00:22:47,189
So, castro seemed like an odd
person for john to interview,
528
00:22:47,191 --> 00:22:50,660
But john goes to cuba,
and they wait for the word
529
00:22:50,662 --> 00:22:52,261
When they're gonna have
the interview,
530
00:22:52,363 --> 00:22:54,530
And it goes on
for day after day.
531
00:22:54,532 --> 00:22:56,265
John was about to leave cuba
532
00:22:56,367 --> 00:22:58,334
Because castro kept delaying
the meeting,
533
00:22:58,336 --> 00:23:01,203
And carolyn told him,
"get on that phone
534
00:23:01,205 --> 00:23:02,672
And say you're john kennedy
535
00:23:02,774 --> 00:23:06,008
And you're not leaving
till you get an interview."
536
00:23:06,010 --> 00:23:08,077
Carmody: They waited three days
to see castro,
537
00:23:08,212 --> 00:23:10,079
Who was supposedly a jerk.
538
00:23:10,214 --> 00:23:13,883
They finally had this dinner
that lasted well into the night,
539
00:23:14,018 --> 00:23:15,751
And the one thing
that john hated
540
00:23:15,886 --> 00:23:19,289
Was dinners
that went on and on and on.
541
00:23:19,424 --> 00:23:22,692
You know, john had
a really short attention span,
542
00:23:22,794 --> 00:23:25,628
So castro gets his knife
543
00:23:25,764 --> 00:23:28,164
And he puts it in a shrimp,
544
00:23:28,299 --> 00:23:30,099
And he goes on for two hours.
545
00:23:30,234 --> 00:23:31,433
He was, like, going like this
546
00:23:31,536 --> 00:23:33,169
And then pointing the shrimp
at john.
547
00:23:33,171 --> 00:23:36,306
John said to me,
"all I could think is,
548
00:23:36,441 --> 00:23:38,107
'eat the fucking shrimp!'"
549
00:23:38,242 --> 00:23:40,242
[ laughs ]
550
00:23:40,244 --> 00:23:43,445
And castro leaned in to him
and said,
551
00:23:43,447 --> 00:23:47,316
"I could never have allowed
oswald to go back to cuba."
552
00:23:47,418 --> 00:23:49,319
What he was telling john
was he had nothing to do
553
00:23:49,454 --> 00:23:51,187
With his father's assassination.
554
00:23:51,189 --> 00:23:53,789
No one else could have had
that conversation with john.
555
00:23:53,924 --> 00:23:56,458
Depaulo: I think he definitely
wanted to know more
556
00:23:56,561 --> 00:23:58,194
About his dad.
557
00:23:58,196 --> 00:24:00,662
He was interviewing castro --
okay? --
558
00:24:00,664 --> 00:24:03,799
Who a lot of people think
killed his father.
559
00:24:03,801 --> 00:24:09,471
I think castro maybe saddened
and frustrated and angered john,
560
00:24:09,473 --> 00:24:11,674
And he was an editor,
561
00:24:11,810 --> 00:24:15,745
And he decided in that moment
not to write about that.
562
00:24:15,847 --> 00:24:19,081
Carmody: He came back, and he's
like, "we're not running it."
563
00:24:19,217 --> 00:24:20,816
And I had sold advertising
against it
564
00:24:20,818 --> 00:24:22,752
'cause it was gonna be
this historical thing
565
00:24:22,854 --> 00:24:25,087
On the anniversary
of the bay of pigs.
566
00:24:25,089 --> 00:24:27,356
It was sort of
this renewed enthusiasm,
567
00:24:27,458 --> 00:24:29,558
And it was like,
"no. We're not doing that."
568
00:24:29,628 --> 00:24:31,027
♪
569
00:24:31,162 --> 00:24:33,829
So, the advertisers
were putting pressure
570
00:24:33,831 --> 00:24:36,498
On michael berman
to reveal more of john.
571
00:24:36,634 --> 00:24:39,501
Hachette always wanted george
to be
572
00:24:39,503 --> 00:24:41,703
Essentially a celebrity fan club
573
00:24:41,705 --> 00:24:45,241
With john as the main celebrity.
574
00:24:45,243 --> 00:24:48,244
He should have had a great
number two who would say,
575
00:24:48,246 --> 00:24:50,780
"no, this is not the best idea"
or "this is a good idea,"
576
00:24:50,782 --> 00:24:53,115
'cause he was probably
just too much in charge.
577
00:24:53,251 --> 00:24:54,717
You want people around you
578
00:24:54,853 --> 00:24:56,252
Who will fold their arms
and come into your office
579
00:24:56,254 --> 00:24:57,920
And say,
"this is a terrible idea,"
580
00:24:58,056 --> 00:24:59,188
And then you realize,
"okay, it's a bad idea."
581
00:24:59,323 --> 00:25:02,892
♪
582
00:25:04,895 --> 00:25:06,228
♪
583
00:25:06,329 --> 00:25:09,231
[ helicopter blades whirring ]
584
00:25:09,233 --> 00:25:12,368
Ginsberg: I remember
he went to do an interview
585
00:25:12,469 --> 00:25:13,835
With oliver stone.
586
00:25:13,837 --> 00:25:15,303
That was a big deal --
right? --
587
00:25:15,305 --> 00:25:18,306
'cause he had done the movie
about his dad,
588
00:25:18,308 --> 00:25:20,108
About the assassination.
589
00:25:20,244 --> 00:25:22,778
He had gone out with all
these wild conspiracy theories.
590
00:25:22,913 --> 00:25:24,379
There was a small conspiracy.
591
00:25:24,382 --> 00:25:27,449
It could involved
5 to 10 people, maybe 11, 12,
592
00:25:27,584 --> 00:25:29,851
To kill the president.
593
00:25:29,986 --> 00:25:33,255
Oliver stone had a big movie
coming out about richard nixon,
594
00:25:33,390 --> 00:25:34,990
Which was right
in their wheelhouse, right?
595
00:25:34,992 --> 00:25:36,458
I mean, it's a president,
596
00:25:36,460 --> 00:25:38,794
And it's gonna be
a big hollywood production.
597
00:25:38,929 --> 00:25:40,862
And john said, "I'm gonna go
do this dinner with him,
598
00:25:40,997 --> 00:25:43,731
Gonna ask him
to do the magazine --
599
00:25:43,733 --> 00:25:45,467
You know, participate --
600
00:25:45,469 --> 00:25:48,403
But he can't bring up
the assassination."
601
00:25:48,406 --> 00:25:50,272
Gillon: Stone promised he
wouldn't say anything to john
602
00:25:50,274 --> 00:25:52,274
About his father's
assassination.
603
00:25:52,276 --> 00:25:54,476
Of course, they sit down, and
not long into the conversation,
604
00:25:54,611 --> 00:25:56,211
He brings it up,
605
00:25:56,213 --> 00:25:59,615
And john gets up, and he --
he leaves on -- on cue.
606
00:25:59,750 --> 00:26:01,617
♪
607
00:26:01,619 --> 00:26:05,621
John was so furious
that stone would do that,
608
00:26:05,623 --> 00:26:08,957
Especially after he was told
not to and had agreed not to,
609
00:26:08,959 --> 00:26:12,360
That he cut
the whole stone feature.
610
00:26:12,362 --> 00:26:15,230
And, again, we had the cover
shot and everything else.
611
00:26:15,232 --> 00:26:17,266
Came back --
"we're not doing the story."
612
00:26:17,367 --> 00:26:19,901
♪
613
00:26:19,903 --> 00:26:22,570
Michael berman was --
he actually believed this,
614
00:26:22,706 --> 00:26:25,307
But he was also channeling
some of the complaints
615
00:26:25,309 --> 00:26:27,643
He was getting
from hachette themselves,
616
00:26:27,645 --> 00:26:32,781
Who just were constantly
pushing john to do more.
617
00:26:32,917 --> 00:26:37,185
There was something very
personal about it for him, too.
618
00:26:37,288 --> 00:26:38,453
Gillon: He said,
"I don't understand
619
00:26:38,456 --> 00:26:41,056
Why people are so fascinated
by my father's death."
620
00:26:41,191 --> 00:26:43,191
He mentioned something
about the oliver stone movie,
621
00:26:43,294 --> 00:26:44,726
And he, like, paused,
and he was like, "yeah,
622
00:26:44,861 --> 00:26:46,662
Bobby knew everything."
623
00:26:46,797 --> 00:26:48,396
Ginsberg:
He said it to me, too.
624
00:26:48,532 --> 00:26:50,666
He said, "the only person
who really knows what happened
625
00:26:50,668 --> 00:26:52,200
With my father's assassination
626
00:26:52,336 --> 00:26:54,736
Was my uncle bobby."
627
00:26:54,871 --> 00:26:57,205
I was eager
to try something different,
628
00:26:57,308 --> 00:26:59,207
To see another part of life.
629
00:26:59,310 --> 00:27:01,276
Carmody: If this was
a normal magazine,
630
00:27:01,278 --> 00:27:03,078
The issue doesn't just disappear
631
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,682
Because somebody
is personally offended by it.
632
00:27:06,684 --> 00:27:08,484
He had the power to do it
633
00:27:08,619 --> 00:27:13,355
Because hachette gave john
complete editorial control.
634
00:27:13,357 --> 00:27:15,691
That is unheard of
in a magazine company.
635
00:27:15,826 --> 00:27:17,292
It was -- it was a problem...
636
00:27:17,294 --> 00:27:19,227
For michael.
637
00:27:19,229 --> 00:27:23,565
The experts early on advised us
of just one other key point --
638
00:27:23,700 --> 00:27:25,701
Never go into business
with a friend.
639
00:27:25,836 --> 00:27:35,511
♪
640
00:27:35,612 --> 00:27:37,445
Man:
Ladies and gentlemen,
641
00:27:37,447 --> 00:27:39,647
The president
of the united states,
642
00:27:39,783 --> 00:27:41,717
William jefferson clinton.
643
00:27:41,852 --> 00:27:45,587
[ cheers and applause ]
644
00:27:45,722 --> 00:27:50,859
My fellow americans,
thank you for your nomination.
645
00:27:50,995 --> 00:27:54,462
I don't know if I can find
a fancy way to say this, but...
646
00:27:54,464 --> 00:27:56,531
I accept.
647
00:27:56,534 --> 00:28:00,135
[ cheers and applause ]
648
00:28:00,237 --> 00:28:01,603
[ los del rio's "macarena"
plays ]
649
00:28:01,605 --> 00:28:04,272
Rigueur: The thing
that symbolizes, to me,
650
00:28:04,274 --> 00:28:08,476
The celebrity moment of the '96
democratic national convention
651
00:28:08,612 --> 00:28:11,613
Is the moment that the entire
room is doing the macarena.
652
00:28:11,748 --> 00:28:13,281
[ song continues ]
653
00:28:13,384 --> 00:28:16,151
It is the most popular song
in america.
654
00:28:16,253 --> 00:28:18,286
It involves line dancing.
655
00:28:18,389 --> 00:28:20,422
And we see all
of these delegations
656
00:28:20,523 --> 00:28:23,759
Break out in a round robin
of macarena,
657
00:28:23,761 --> 00:28:27,362
Including hillary clinton
and al gore.
658
00:28:27,364 --> 00:28:29,297
Very famously,
al gore is very stiff.
659
00:28:29,299 --> 00:28:30,632
[ cheers and applause ]
660
00:28:30,634 --> 00:28:32,768
Would you like to see it again?
661
00:28:32,770 --> 00:28:35,437
Rigueur: It's like this cultural
moment where it's like,
662
00:28:35,439 --> 00:28:36,904
These are people that are cool,
663
00:28:36,906 --> 00:28:38,906
That have their pulse
on the nation,
664
00:28:38,908 --> 00:28:40,642
And we have the president
665
00:28:40,777 --> 00:28:44,312
Who is one
with the american people.
666
00:28:44,415 --> 00:28:46,648
Celebrities --
they're just like us.
667
00:28:46,783 --> 00:28:49,651
The president --
he's just like us.
668
00:28:49,786 --> 00:28:52,854
But the other part of it
is you have the reign
669
00:28:52,989 --> 00:28:54,790
Of the kennedy family,
670
00:28:54,792 --> 00:28:57,192
And it is all of the kennedys.
671
00:28:57,327 --> 00:28:59,461
They are basking in,
essentially,
672
00:28:59,562 --> 00:29:01,529
Their political dynasty.
673
00:29:01,531 --> 00:29:02,730
Ginsberg: In 1996,
674
00:29:02,866 --> 00:29:04,666
When I was in chicago with john,
675
00:29:04,668 --> 00:29:08,936
Tom brokaw invited him
to be on prime time.
676
00:29:08,938 --> 00:29:10,806
Brokaw: You have, whether
you're in politics or not,
677
00:29:10,941 --> 00:29:13,074
One of the most public lives
anywhere in the world.
678
00:29:13,076 --> 00:29:14,009
You can't go anywhere --
679
00:29:14,011 --> 00:29:15,210
Kennedy: Seems
that way, yeah.
680
00:29:15,312 --> 00:29:16,812
Brokaw: You can't go
anywhere without being noticed.
681
00:29:16,814 --> 00:29:17,745
Is that part
of the resistance
682
00:29:17,881 --> 00:29:19,948
To get involved in
elective politics?
683
00:29:20,084 --> 00:29:22,217
No. I mean, one of them
doesn't really have
684
00:29:22,352 --> 00:29:23,485
A lot to do
with the other,
685
00:29:23,586 --> 00:29:24,620
But I think,
certainly in politics,
686
00:29:24,721 --> 00:29:26,154
Once you begin,
687
00:29:26,156 --> 00:29:27,689
You better be in it
for the long haul.
688
00:29:27,691 --> 00:29:29,757
Um, and for me,
you know,
689
00:29:29,893 --> 00:29:31,426
It's important to have
a few life experiences
690
00:29:31,428 --> 00:29:32,694
Before you do that.
691
00:29:32,829 --> 00:29:35,030
That's what john adams
thought politicians should do,
692
00:29:35,165 --> 00:29:37,432
And maybe it's, you know,
what will happen to me.
693
00:29:37,434 --> 00:29:40,702
In the lead-up to
the launch of george magazine,
694
00:29:40,704 --> 00:29:42,970
There is an intense amount
of scrutiny around
695
00:29:42,972 --> 00:29:47,976
What is john f. Kennedy jr.'s
thing going to be?
696
00:29:48,112 --> 00:29:50,712
Is he going to go into politics
and policy
697
00:29:50,847 --> 00:29:52,247
Like the rest of his family?
698
00:29:52,382 --> 00:29:54,249
Is he going to be a lawyer?
699
00:29:54,384 --> 00:29:56,852
Is he going to be a failure?
700
00:29:56,854 --> 00:29:58,920
And so it moves
from a conversation
701
00:29:59,055 --> 00:30:00,455
Around "what is he gonna do?"
702
00:30:00,457 --> 00:30:04,392
To "this is his
big crowning achievement."
703
00:30:04,495 --> 00:30:06,728
When we walked out --
I'm not exaggerating --
704
00:30:06,863 --> 00:30:11,399
There were probably 2,000
screaming democratic delegates
705
00:30:11,401 --> 00:30:14,269
Who thought that jesus christ
was walking out of that box.
706
00:30:14,404 --> 00:30:17,572
They were grabbing him.
They chased us to the car.
707
00:30:17,675 --> 00:30:19,274
♪
708
00:30:19,409 --> 00:30:21,276
Repoorter: I gotta ask you
about the party tonight.
709
00:30:21,378 --> 00:30:22,944
Kennedy: Yes.
I hope you'll come.
710
00:30:23,079 --> 00:30:25,346
[ chuckles ] well,
who's gonna be there?
711
00:30:25,348 --> 00:30:26,348
I don't know.
712
00:30:26,483 --> 00:30:27,082
How exciting is
this going to be?
713
00:30:27,217 --> 00:30:28,283
It's gonna be
very exciting.
714
00:30:28,418 --> 00:30:29,350
I'm not sure
who's gonna be there,
715
00:30:29,352 --> 00:30:31,152
But, apparently,
a lot of folks.
716
00:30:31,287 --> 00:30:33,421
[ cheers and applause ]
woman: John! Cnn! John!
717
00:30:33,423 --> 00:30:35,557
Rigueur:
It's the 1996 convention
718
00:30:35,658 --> 00:30:39,026
Where he throws a rager
of a party.
719
00:30:39,028 --> 00:30:40,562
It's the kind of party
720
00:30:40,663 --> 00:30:43,298
That people are clamoring
to get in on
721
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:44,566
On the guest list.
722
00:30:44,667 --> 00:30:46,167
Man: John, a lot's
being said this week
723
00:30:46,169 --> 00:30:47,702
About the connection
between entertainment
724
00:30:47,705 --> 00:30:48,904
And politics.
725
00:30:49,039 --> 00:30:50,572
Is that what this
party is about?
726
00:30:50,673 --> 00:30:51,839
Kennedy: Well, we'll
see who shows up,
727
00:30:51,975 --> 00:30:54,041
But, uh, hopefully
728
00:30:54,043 --> 00:30:55,310
It makes for a good
party, anyway.
729
00:30:55,445 --> 00:30:56,177
Man: What is
that connection?
730
00:30:56,312 --> 00:30:57,579
Ginsberg:
There was just one event
731
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,714
That everybody needed
to get into,
732
00:30:59,717 --> 00:31:01,182
And that was the george party,
733
00:31:01,317 --> 00:31:04,185
And we held it
at the largest venue we could.
734
00:31:04,187 --> 00:31:05,787
They had to close it down
735
00:31:05,789 --> 00:31:09,057
Because they had been
so overwhelmed.
736
00:31:09,193 --> 00:31:11,927
We had everybody
from kevin costner
737
00:31:12,062 --> 00:31:14,329
To maria shriver to who's who.
738
00:31:14,464 --> 00:31:15,597
I mean, they were all there.
739
00:31:15,698 --> 00:31:17,465
Soren:
Movie critic roger ebert
740
00:31:17,568 --> 00:31:19,601
And comedian chris rock.
741
00:31:19,702 --> 00:31:22,938
Rock: Democrats have much
more fun than republicans.
742
00:31:23,073 --> 00:31:25,473
John f. Kennedy jr.
Was really great
743
00:31:25,475 --> 00:31:27,475
At figuring out the zeitgeist,
744
00:31:27,477 --> 00:31:31,479
Wanting to be part
of something new and exciting.
745
00:31:31,582 --> 00:31:33,749
Rigueur:
So, while you have the clintons,
746
00:31:33,850 --> 00:31:37,485
It's also really about john,
as well.
747
00:31:37,487 --> 00:31:41,757
He can't step foot on the floor
without being mobbed by people.
748
00:31:41,858 --> 00:31:44,492
People are asking
for his autograph.
749
00:31:44,494 --> 00:31:47,629
This is a political convention.
[ laughs ]
750
00:31:47,631 --> 00:31:51,366
John had tremendous charisma
and tremendous presence.
751
00:31:51,501 --> 00:31:52,900
He was a natural.
752
00:31:53,036 --> 00:31:55,436
Everybody just assumed
that, one day,
753
00:31:55,438 --> 00:31:57,639
He was gonna be
in the running to be president.
754
00:31:57,774 --> 00:32:00,809
♪
755
00:32:02,712 --> 00:32:03,977
♪
756
00:32:03,979 --> 00:32:05,445
[ cheers and applause ]
757
00:32:05,581 --> 00:32:06,113
O'donnell: Pretty amazing.
758
00:32:06,115 --> 00:32:07,315
Kennedy:
I got married.
759
00:32:07,416 --> 00:32:08,849
O'donnell: How'd you do it?
760
00:32:08,851 --> 00:32:10,250
How did I, uh --
how did I do it?
761
00:32:10,252 --> 00:32:11,319
You just literally
didn't tell anyone?
762
00:32:11,420 --> 00:32:15,523
It was important for us
just to, uh, be able to do it
763
00:32:15,658 --> 00:32:18,058
In a private and --
and personal way,
764
00:32:18,161 --> 00:32:19,459
And it wouldn't have
been able to --
765
00:32:19,595 --> 00:32:20,594
We wouldn't have been
able to do it had we --
766
00:32:20,729 --> 00:32:21,562
Had we told everybody.
767
00:32:21,731 --> 00:32:23,397
♪
768
00:32:23,399 --> 00:32:24,932
Think about it.
In the two years
769
00:32:25,034 --> 00:32:26,400
After his mom died,
770
00:32:26,402 --> 00:32:29,337
He started a magazine
and he got married.
771
00:32:29,472 --> 00:32:34,808
This was like -- sort of like
a-a rebirth for him, in a way.
772
00:32:34,943 --> 00:32:37,077
Of course, he had started
working on the magazine
773
00:32:37,213 --> 00:32:38,212
Years earlier.
774
00:32:38,347 --> 00:32:39,813
♪
775
00:32:39,948 --> 00:32:44,184
But it all came together
after his mom passed away.
776
00:32:44,220 --> 00:32:46,420
♪
777
00:32:46,555 --> 00:32:49,957
The expectation when they went
public was excruciating.
778
00:32:50,092 --> 00:32:52,693
Carolyn and john wanted
to stave that off, I think,
779
00:32:52,829 --> 00:32:54,361
As long as possible.
780
00:32:54,364 --> 00:32:57,030
And it also felt pretty
good to be able to do it
781
00:32:57,032 --> 00:32:59,099
And then leave and
sort of know that --
782
00:32:59,101 --> 00:33:01,235
That in about two hours,
783
00:33:01,237 --> 00:33:02,436
There was gonna be --
784
00:33:02,438 --> 00:33:03,771
A big bomb was gonna go off.
785
00:33:03,906 --> 00:33:04,572
Right.
786
00:33:04,707 --> 00:33:06,106
♪
787
00:33:06,242 --> 00:33:08,376
Gillon: There was always
this pressure on john
788
00:33:08,511 --> 00:33:10,377
To reveal more of himself.
789
00:33:10,380 --> 00:33:12,580
He would give a piece
of himself here and there
790
00:33:12,715 --> 00:33:14,081
Through his letters
from the editor.
791
00:33:14,183 --> 00:33:15,583
♪
792
00:33:15,718 --> 00:33:17,251
Brown:
The editor's letter is a way
793
00:33:17,352 --> 00:33:19,519
To communicate with readers
in a way that makes --
794
00:33:19,655 --> 00:33:21,721
Tries to create a dialogue
between you and them.
795
00:33:21,723 --> 00:33:24,992
Well, here's a great example.
796
00:33:25,127 --> 00:33:28,528
Sometimes the letters could
reflect where his head was at.
797
00:33:28,664 --> 00:33:31,331
The letter from a month
after he got married
798
00:33:31,333 --> 00:33:33,533
Certainly does that.
799
00:33:33,669 --> 00:33:36,804
"it's true that political life
can be a strain on a marriage.
800
00:33:36,939 --> 00:33:38,939
The husband usually gets
all the attention,
801
00:33:38,941 --> 00:33:42,142
While the wife is expected
not only to give up her career
802
00:33:42,278 --> 00:33:46,880
But gaze adoringly
during every photo opportunity."
803
00:33:46,882 --> 00:33:50,217
"they have little privacy
and even less time together.
804
00:33:50,219 --> 00:33:51,419
But in another respect,
805
00:33:51,554 --> 00:33:54,554
The crisis and isolation
of a public life
806
00:33:54,690 --> 00:33:58,158
Create a sense of shared burden
that can bring a couple closer."
807
00:33:58,294 --> 00:34:03,631
Really just in maybe a little
bubble of friendship, family.
808
00:34:03,766 --> 00:34:07,301
Like, we were just protected
in a way that just disappeared
809
00:34:07,436 --> 00:34:09,803
Once they officially were
husband and wife.
810
00:34:09,872 --> 00:34:11,639
♪
811
00:34:11,774 --> 00:34:13,307
Ginsberg:
John's sister, caroline,
812
00:34:13,442 --> 00:34:16,576
Had a very big wedding
in hyannis port,
813
00:34:16,712 --> 00:34:18,912
And I don't think
he wanted that wedding.
814
00:34:18,914 --> 00:34:21,781
He wanted it super small
and super private.
815
00:34:21,783 --> 00:34:23,183
Radziwill:
They decided cumberland island
816
00:34:23,286 --> 00:34:24,518
'cause his friend gogo ferguson
817
00:34:24,653 --> 00:34:26,253
Owned a bed and breakfast there.
818
00:34:26,322 --> 00:34:28,121
♪
819
00:34:28,123 --> 00:34:30,057
There were only like
10 people living there,
820
00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:32,692
So they could keep it quiet
for as long as possible.
821
00:34:32,695 --> 00:34:34,594
♪
822
00:34:34,730 --> 00:34:37,397
But no one believed
that they could pull it off.
823
00:34:37,533 --> 00:34:40,067
They are real talkers,
those kennedys.
824
00:34:40,169 --> 00:34:42,536
So john decided
not to tell any of them
825
00:34:42,538 --> 00:34:45,205
Until, like, the weekend before.
826
00:34:45,341 --> 00:34:48,408
I think john ended up inviting
like one cousin
827
00:34:48,410 --> 00:34:50,811
From each arm of his family.
828
00:34:50,947 --> 00:34:55,082
Like, it was one representative
from each.
829
00:34:55,184 --> 00:34:58,085
And then, of course,
senator kennedy and his wife.
830
00:34:58,187 --> 00:35:01,488
His wife's brother
was a wedding photographer.
831
00:35:01,491 --> 00:35:04,024
They were able
to really keep it quiet.
832
00:35:04,026 --> 00:35:05,493
They kept it so private
and prayerful,
833
00:35:05,594 --> 00:35:08,095
They didn't tell
half of his family.
834
00:35:08,230 --> 00:35:11,498
His cousin patrick kennedy
told somebody,
835
00:35:11,501 --> 00:35:14,434
Even though he was not invited
to the wedding,
836
00:35:14,436 --> 00:35:16,970
That his cousin john
got married yesterday.
837
00:35:17,105 --> 00:35:20,107
My cousin john
did tie the knot yesterday.
838
00:35:20,209 --> 00:35:24,578
[ applause ]
839
00:35:24,713 --> 00:35:26,914
And that's how we found out
they did get married.
840
00:35:27,049 --> 00:35:30,384
♪
841
00:35:30,485 --> 00:35:32,319
I think in her mind,
she wanted to be able
842
00:35:32,321 --> 00:35:35,655
To go on her honeymoon
and still be private.
843
00:35:35,791 --> 00:35:39,259
Everyone benefited
from proximity with john,
844
00:35:39,362 --> 00:35:41,395
Even his cousins.
845
00:35:41,530 --> 00:35:43,263
I think she wasn't happy
about that.
846
00:35:43,265 --> 00:35:48,001
It's a sad day if it's true
for all the women out there.
847
00:35:48,003 --> 00:35:49,603
Anthony:
Everyone just went crazy.
848
00:35:49,738 --> 00:35:51,605
The media attention
for john and carolyn
849
00:35:51,607 --> 00:35:55,008
Got a lot worse
when they got married
850
00:35:55,010 --> 00:35:56,810
Because then everybody
wanted to know,
851
00:35:56,945 --> 00:36:00,013
"what about this chick
that landed john kennedy jr.?"
852
00:36:00,148 --> 00:36:02,149
Because then it wasn't
just one person,
853
00:36:02,251 --> 00:36:03,417
It was two people
854
00:36:03,518 --> 00:36:05,653
That everybody
was really interested in.
855
00:36:05,755 --> 00:36:09,423
♪
856
00:36:09,425 --> 00:36:10,424
[ horn honks ]
857
00:36:10,559 --> 00:36:14,361
♪
858
00:36:14,363 --> 00:36:15,829
Woman: 64 degrees.
Beautiful day.
859
00:36:15,964 --> 00:36:17,431
Sunny skies in new york.
860
00:36:17,532 --> 00:36:18,832
Anthony:
They went on a honeymoon,
861
00:36:18,967 --> 00:36:20,834
But you're gonna have to see
pictures of them
862
00:36:20,969 --> 00:36:23,303
'cause they got to come back
to new york and to tribeca,
863
00:36:23,406 --> 00:36:24,904
Where they live, eventually.
864
00:36:24,906 --> 00:36:26,774
Man: Hold it, please, for us.
Look this way.
865
00:36:26,776 --> 00:36:28,108
Ohh!
866
00:36:28,110 --> 00:36:30,444
I can see,
but we're not getting it.
867
00:36:30,446 --> 00:36:32,179
No one knew
that they were getting married.
868
00:36:32,281 --> 00:36:34,114
They get married secretly.
869
00:36:34,116 --> 00:36:35,583
They come back
from their honeymoon,
870
00:36:35,718 --> 00:36:38,452
And, suddenly, you know,
they come home to an apartment
871
00:36:38,587 --> 00:36:41,321
That's being staked out
by 30 paparazzi
872
00:36:41,323 --> 00:36:44,458
Whose livelihood depends
upon getting a shot.
873
00:36:44,460 --> 00:36:47,927
So, we're just asking any,
you know, privacy...
874
00:36:47,929 --> 00:36:49,196
Ginsberg: Guys,
can you back up?
875
00:36:49,298 --> 00:36:50,664
...And room you can give her
as she makes that adjustment...
876
00:36:50,799 --> 00:36:51,799
Ginsberg: Please.
Back up.
877
00:36:51,801 --> 00:36:53,467
...We'd really
appreciate it.
878
00:36:53,568 --> 00:36:55,669
Depaulo: There are stories
that he would say to her,
879
00:36:55,671 --> 00:36:58,305
"once we get married,
this will stop."
880
00:36:58,407 --> 00:37:00,073
♪
881
00:37:00,075 --> 00:37:02,009
And it didn't stop.
882
00:37:02,144 --> 00:37:04,812
It got worse.
883
00:37:04,814 --> 00:37:06,146
Man: Come on, john.
884
00:37:06,148 --> 00:37:07,147
Kennedy:
She's on the beach alone,
885
00:37:07,149 --> 00:37:08,649
And you start taking
[bleep] photographs!
886
00:37:08,784 --> 00:37:11,986
♪
887
00:37:14,156 --> 00:37:15,755
♪
888
00:37:15,757 --> 00:37:17,357
Man
We're not getting it, john.
889
00:37:17,492 --> 00:37:18,892
Man
little johns on the way?
890
00:37:19,027 --> 00:37:20,025
Man
not getting it.
891
00:37:20,027 --> 00:37:21,026
Can you look at the lens?
892
00:37:21,028 --> 00:37:22,696
Back up and look
this way, carolyn.
893
00:37:22,797 --> 00:37:24,630
Carolyn, look
this way.
894
00:37:24,632 --> 00:37:27,633
John... John
whoooaaaa!
895
00:37:27,836 --> 00:37:29,903
Rigueur:
When they emerge as a couple
896
00:37:29,905 --> 00:37:31,637
And their wedding photos
897
00:37:31,639 --> 00:37:34,640
Are in every major magazine
across the country,
898
00:37:34,642 --> 00:37:37,577
Newspapers treat it
as, like, front-page news
899
00:37:37,579 --> 00:37:41,647
That little john has grown up
and is getting married.
900
00:37:41,783 --> 00:37:47,987
[ paparazzi chatter ]
901
00:37:48,123 --> 00:37:50,856
There's a kind of frenzy
around this
902
00:37:50,992 --> 00:37:53,726
Because everybody wants to be
in on the details.
903
00:37:53,729 --> 00:37:55,128
They want to know the secrets.
904
00:37:55,263 --> 00:37:57,931
Man: Kennedy confronted
a pair of photographers.
905
00:37:58,066 --> 00:38:00,333
In the end, they got no privacy.
906
00:38:00,435 --> 00:38:04,069
They had a lot of hostile
engagements with paparazzi,
907
00:38:04,071 --> 00:38:05,705
But it was more her than him.
908
00:38:05,774 --> 00:38:08,608
♪
909
00:38:08,709 --> 00:38:11,076
And, you know, I wish that she
would have handled that better
910
00:38:11,078 --> 00:38:12,746
Because marrying
john kennedy jr.,
911
00:38:12,847 --> 00:38:15,080
They're gonna want your picture.
912
00:38:15,082 --> 00:38:17,750
Ginsberg: John understood
the role of the paparazzi,
913
00:38:17,753 --> 00:38:20,085
Which was, I think,
why it was so hard
914
00:38:20,087 --> 00:38:23,957
When carolyn had such
a visceral reaction to it.
915
00:38:24,092 --> 00:38:25,891
He didn't like it,
but he understood
916
00:38:26,027 --> 00:38:28,561
It was part and parcel
of being john kennedy.
917
00:38:28,563 --> 00:38:30,830
Woman: John! John!
John! Over here!
918
00:38:30,965 --> 00:38:32,898
South: John had had
a lifetime of training.
919
00:38:33,034 --> 00:38:36,235
For carolyn,
she worked in a p.R. Department,
920
00:38:36,237 --> 00:38:39,639
And what she did was
control the optics
921
00:38:39,774 --> 00:38:41,774
Around the calvin klein brand.
922
00:38:41,777 --> 00:38:43,709
And I think the struggle was
923
00:38:43,711 --> 00:38:46,712
She realized she had
absolutely no control over this
924
00:38:46,714 --> 00:38:48,047
As it related to her,
925
00:38:48,182 --> 00:38:51,250
And I think that
was most difficult.
926
00:38:51,252 --> 00:38:52,718
You guys got enough.
Why don't you leave now?
927
00:38:52,854 --> 00:38:56,589
There's certainly
a gendered element to this.
928
00:38:56,591 --> 00:38:57,991
They treat her poorly,
929
00:38:58,126 --> 00:39:00,493
In part because she is a woman.
930
00:39:00,595 --> 00:39:01,995
♪
931
00:39:02,130 --> 00:39:03,929
Radziwill: Yeah, sure.
She was an ice queen.
932
00:39:04,065 --> 00:39:06,399
What? 'cause she didn't sit down
and give interviews?
933
00:39:06,501 --> 00:39:07,801
Too fuckin' bad.
934
00:39:07,902 --> 00:39:09,735
She didn't want to.
935
00:39:09,737 --> 00:39:11,204
That was her choice.
936
00:39:11,339 --> 00:39:12,572
She's a grown woman.
937
00:39:12,641 --> 00:39:14,740
♪
938
00:39:14,742 --> 00:39:17,743
Here's carolyn bessette,
who's like,
939
00:39:17,745 --> 00:39:19,545
"I don't want to be a celebrity.
940
00:39:19,648 --> 00:39:22,816
Therefore, I do not want
to give you access,"
941
00:39:22,917 --> 00:39:24,884
And so the press
and the tabloids say,
942
00:39:24,886 --> 00:39:27,753
"well, we have no choice
but to provoke you."
943
00:39:27,889 --> 00:39:28,888
Ma'am, please.
944
00:39:29,023 --> 00:39:30,556
[ camera shutters clicking ]
945
00:39:30,659 --> 00:39:34,560
Ginsberg: Princess diana
was living that struggle
946
00:39:34,663 --> 00:39:37,096
So publicly --
947
00:39:37,231 --> 00:39:41,300
Her fights with the paparazzi
during that period.
948
00:39:41,302 --> 00:39:43,302
I'm sure carolyn was watching it
949
00:39:43,437 --> 00:39:47,306
And feeling like she was
the american version of it,
950
00:39:47,308 --> 00:39:48,841
And it probably just
heightened her sense
951
00:39:48,844 --> 00:39:50,844
Of isolation and frustration.
952
00:39:50,945 --> 00:39:56,049
♪
953
00:39:56,184 --> 00:39:57,583
Brown:
Diana and carolyn bessette
954
00:39:57,585 --> 00:40:00,519
Lived very, very parallel paths.
955
00:40:00,521 --> 00:40:02,722
The actual reality
of living with that
956
00:40:02,724 --> 00:40:05,458
Was something that had came
with so much pressure
957
00:40:05,460 --> 00:40:07,092
And so much ugliness.
958
00:40:07,129 --> 00:40:13,867
♪
959
00:40:13,968 --> 00:40:16,402
Ginsberg:
And then diana dies,
960
00:40:16,404 --> 00:40:19,305
Which really
kind of set things off.
961
00:40:19,341 --> 00:40:21,207
♪
962
00:40:21,343 --> 00:40:22,876
Young:
The people's princess is dead.
963
00:40:22,977 --> 00:40:25,078
Across the country,
across the world,
964
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:26,946
Millions are trying
to come to terms
965
00:40:27,081 --> 00:40:30,249
With the awful tragedy
of diana's untimely death.
966
00:40:30,285 --> 00:40:32,885
♪
967
00:40:32,888 --> 00:40:35,888
Radziwill: I was in aspen
when diana's car crashed,
968
00:40:35,891 --> 00:40:38,491
And carolyn was in new york.
969
00:40:38,493 --> 00:40:41,894
And I remember being
on the phone with her
970
00:40:41,897 --> 00:40:43,429
During the funeral.
971
00:40:43,431 --> 00:40:45,965
I don't know.
It was, like, very profound.
972
00:40:46,100 --> 00:40:48,501
I mean, princess diana was --
973
00:40:48,603 --> 00:40:50,503
You know, she was our age,
974
00:40:50,505 --> 00:40:51,604
Pretty much.
975
00:40:51,706 --> 00:40:53,639
♪
976
00:40:53,641 --> 00:40:56,509
And the underlying way
in which she died,
977
00:40:56,611 --> 00:41:01,114
Which was being literally
hounded to death by paparazzi.
978
00:41:01,116 --> 00:41:05,218
And that lesson was
definitely not lost on carolyn.
979
00:41:08,389 --> 00:41:10,990
Depaulo: I just remember crying
the whole way home,
980
00:41:11,125 --> 00:41:11,924
Thinking of john,
981
00:41:11,927 --> 00:41:15,995
Like, "please be safe.
982
00:41:16,130 --> 00:41:17,663
Be safe."
983
00:41:17,665 --> 00:41:20,133
The only time we've seen
a mass mourning
984
00:41:20,135 --> 00:41:22,001
In any way to touch diana
985
00:41:22,003 --> 00:41:23,669
Really was the death of jfk.
986
00:41:23,772 --> 00:41:26,672
[ drum beating rhythmically ]
987
00:41:26,775 --> 00:41:30,676
It was a shock
because now this is proof.
988
00:41:30,779 --> 00:41:32,812
This is li-- like...
989
00:41:32,913 --> 00:41:36,615
This is what could happen
if things get out of hand.
990
00:41:36,617 --> 00:41:39,018
I'm not, but you started it.
991
00:41:39,020 --> 00:41:40,753
Radziwill:
You know, they were --
992
00:41:40,755 --> 00:41:43,022
They were looking for houses
outside new york
993
00:41:43,024 --> 00:41:47,160
Because they were talking
about family and having kids,
994
00:41:47,162 --> 00:41:50,029
And carolyn just couldn't see
raising kids in the city,
995
00:41:50,164 --> 00:41:51,530
And she wanted privacy.
996
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,833
♪
997
00:41:53,968 --> 00:41:57,570
Princess diana was trying
to get away from the paparazzi.
998
00:41:57,705 --> 00:42:00,773
John was always trying
to get away from the paparazzi,
999
00:42:00,775 --> 00:42:02,975
And he -- you know...
1000
00:42:02,978 --> 00:42:04,744
That's why he loved to fly.
1001
00:42:04,813 --> 00:42:08,514
♪